So a mystery friend of mine is gay. (See, told you I have gay friends, I'm up to like 5.) And this person left some anonymous comments on my last post about gay marriage in California. You can check them out if you like. But instead of adding another comment, I figured I'd make this a separate post. So "Anonymous", I hope you get around to reading this.
So the question is, what if I were "in the crosshairs"? What if the people were to rally behind the cause of denying blacks civil rights? Well, after I went medieval on those...people, I would do exactly what I suggested in my post. I would reach out to the people in my community (whoever survived), urging them to reconsider what they've done. If it's about getting the popular vote, you have to reach out to the people who are voting. And that's really what I'm advocating for, people to speak their own minds. That's the thing about a democracy, everyone has a voice. True, some of those voices are what we would call "ignorant" or "intolerant". Some of them preach a message of hatred, some advocate for violence against those who are "different". But at the end of the day, I would like to believe that those voices would be outnumbered by the voices of tolerance, acceptance...or at least a voice that says "It ain't that damn serious."
As far as the issue of biological proof in my post, I used that to illustrate the difference between innate traits and those that are not. Being black is something inherited, it's genetic...I was born this way. Same way humans are born (generally) with 10 toes. I inherited dark skin from my parents. Homosexuality, arguably, is not innate. I'm not gonna say for certain it is or isn't, cuz I don't know. But if it's a choice, then what you've chosen has consequences...one of which being you can't get married. If someone were to discover a "gay gene", hypothetically, my argument really wouldn't change. I would still hold that, given the system we are working with, the vote of the people should reign supreme. I do, however, think that the vote would be drastically different. People often use the "it's not natural" line when arguing against homosexuality. Showing it is a natural, biological trait...well that would shut them up, wouldn't it?
Now, on to "Responsibility". Whew...that's a big word. Tellin me what I'm "supposed to do". I'm not big on telling grown folks what they "have to" or "should" do. You're SUPPOSED to work to earn money and support yourself and your family. You're SUPPOSED to...well, it's hard to come up wit much more than that in my opinion. When you talk about moral/ethical responsibility, it's tricky because all of that centers on your own belief system.
Why do some people donate to charity? Some believe doing good will come back to them. Some do it for that "good feeling" they get when they know they've helped someone. Some do it for tax write-offs. Some just say, "It's the right thing to do." But if you look at it, most of the reasons people give for volunteering their time and/or resources are, on some level, self-serving. "I" feel good. My good deeds will come back to "ME". "I" get a tax write-off. Now the tax write-off is a tangible return, but not all returns on good deeds have to be tangible.
This goes to my point. People do what is in their best interest. (Or at least what they think will be.) If it's better for you to donate old clothes to charity, go for it. Why? Cuz it'll warm your heart, make you feel better bout yourself, etc. as opposed to just throwing them away and feelin that you wasted your money.
So should blacks stand up for gay rights? I can't say they "have" to. It would be nice of them, I mean "us". Maybe gays should've tried to piggy back on the Civil Rights Movement or Women's Lib. You know, while everybody was going around giving out equal rights, just sneak in line. But you gotta start somewhere, right?
Honestly, I think the real issue here isn't about blacks vs gays. You know the jokes about black families...we all at least got a gay cousin. It's RELIGIOUS BELIEFS vs Homosexuality. I took a class on the New Testament in college and we held a debate about whether or not the New Testament deemed homosexuality a sin. My team was on the side that argued Homosexuality IS deemed a sin. (It was randomly assigned to me. I'm not gonna fall into the trap of telling you what I think about that one.) I won't be ashamed to tell you...my team won. :brushes shoulders off: It was a narrow margin of victory, but we pulled it out. But in my preparations for it, I really did see some evidence that practicing a homosexual lifestyle is condemned as a sin in Christianity. Our opponents tried to argue that the New Testament was condemning an archaic form of homosexuality, not our current form. (I'm still scratching my head to this day tryna figure out how many "forms" of being gay there can be.)
But I wouldn't say that the SAME arguments upholding slavery are being used in this case. Or at least I fail to understand how they could. Religious defense of slavery sounded more like "They were born into this position. It's God's Will that whites dominate other races." Religious arguments against homosexuality sound like "YOU'RE GONNA BURN FOR YOUR ABOMINATION AGAINST GOD!!!" (Imagine my finger wagging.) (Again, we see the issue of being born into a life versus choosing how to live it.)
But I really think that religion is the strongest opponent to Gay Rights. This country, since it's inception, has had a strong Christian foundation. (Don't let reality TV fool you.) And if "Jesus said being gay was wrong"...um, gonna be hard to convince people otherwise. But what's more important, in my mind, is that Christianity teaches "Love thy neighbor." Jesus didn't roll wit a morally elite crew. Peter would cuss, fight and even turned his back on Jesus...but that was Jesus' homeboy. So regardless of what you believe, it's not cool, in my mind, to do all that condemnation and such. Jesus also said, "He who is without sin, cast the first stone." And like I said, I got more important things to do than worry about who YOU'RE having sex with...like finding some lesbians who'll let me join in. I KID, I KID!!!
Well, I don't know who you are...well, I do, but I don't know that I'm talkin to you. But I hope for 3 things:
1. My argument makes sense. Maybe it's not practical, but I just hope it's logical.
2. My views don't prevent you from considering me a friend.
3. If you're female, can I watch? PLAYING!!! JUST A JOKE!!! But maybe we could go pick up some girls? At least let me be your wing man? If you're male, well...all that stuff would be out. But we can still kick it.
Saturday, June 6, 2009
To My Anonymously Gay Friend
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Democracy,
Gay,
Political Correctness,
Responsibility,
Rights,
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To Justin "Can-I-Watch?" Paige,
ReplyDelete1) No, you can't watch, though you certainly wouldn't be the first to have asked. What is it with you men? Just rent The L Word or something.
2) Great post. I feel truly honored that my comments merited an entire post, and was not at all disappointed by your response. Your argument remains logical throughout, and most of my thoughts about it are not rebuttals as much as further commentary.
3) I agree with you that religious beliefs are the greatest "enemy" of the gay rights movement, and did not mean to imply with my comments that blacks as a group are the "enemy" of gays (though I fear I did). To pit blacks (or any minority) against gays overlooks the presence of blacks/minorities in the gay community, and is oversimplified. I am white myself, but most of the women I have dated have been black, and they would probably be pissed at me for not thinking more carefully about those comments.
4) It never ceases to amaze me that people attribute condemnation of homosexuality to Jesus. Jesus doesn't say a damn word about homosexuality in the Bible. Paul does, and the Old Testament certainly does, but then Paul and the OT say a lot of things about women, slavery, dietary laws and dress codes that we have conveniently managed to ignore today. Why does homosexuality merit special treatment? (By the way, I think I took the same NT class in college...but thankfully was assigned a different debate!) You are smarter than this, though - what many people fail to acknowledge is that the much clearer message of Jesus is "love thy neighbor" and "judge ye not." Clearly you've got that part down - amen!
5) One thing that most straight people fail to fully understand is that the "consequences" of being gay are much more than being denied the civil right of marriage. The "consequences" of being gay include being faced with a lifetime of discrimination (esp. if you "look" gay, which I don't), an increased risk of being the victim of hate crimes, and an increased risk of suicide. In many countries, being gay is against the law and you can actually be put to death if convicted - this is a reality we don't often see in America, but a modern reality nonetheless. Suicide, however, is a huge reality in this country. Gay teenagers and young adults are far more likely to commit suicide than any of their peer groups - try telling someone who has lost a gay loved one to suicide that being gay was their CHOICE. When I was in college, I lost the first woman I loved to suicide, and later found that her suicide note read that she didn't believe Jesus could love her because she was gay. Wouldn't it have been easier for her to "choose" to be straight than to kill herself? Wouldn't she have chosen that, if she could? I lost 2 more gay friends to suicide in college and know that many other gay people share similiar experiences. In light of stories and statistics like these, of hate crimes, death sentences and suicides, I truly can't understand how people can stand behind the argument that being gay is a choice. I can't wrap my brain around it.
6) I don't know that I'm convinced that the popular vote would change if people believed that being gay was a genetic/biological condition - b/c although many people give lip service to the opinion that being gay is a choice, when it gets down to it, I think the vast majority of people probably DO believe that gay people are just born that way. (I mean, think about Ellen de Generes or the guys on America's Next Top Model - do people think they can HELP it?) But they still don't believe we should have the right to marriage. For several years I was very involvedin the church and by far the loudest religious message I heard was that "It's ok for you to be gay, as long as you don't act on it. God loves you the way you are, as long as you don't sin by ACTING on it." This is where I see parallels between the gay rights and civil rights movements - I think that people DO understand on some level that gay people "can't help it," and yet still choose to see us as second-class citizens because they are so freaked out by what they don't understand. Just as the gospel was preached to slaves, so it is preached to gays: "Jesus loves you, but you are still different from the rest of us because of who you are. It's God's will that you be celibate/enslaved (same thing?)" People may SAY they believe being gay is a choice, but when pressed, I think most would know they are standing on shaky ground. So maybe your argument still wouldn't change; maybe you would still say that the vote of the people would reign supreme. To that I would say...time for me to move to Canada.
ReplyDelete7) My views wouldn't prevent me from considering you a friend either. In fact, it sounds like you have more gay friends than I do! Are any of them single and female? If so, you should definitely set me up. If you'd like to accompany me to a lesbian club sometime, I'll buy you a drink. It's been a while; we should catch up.
P.S. I'll tell you who I am, if you promise to keep it on the down low...no pun intended, of course.
ReplyDeleteHahaha, Justin "Can-I-Watch?" Paige? That was definitely in jest, but I'm glad you had a witty comeback and didn't get sidetracked. As to why guys wanna watch...I think it's just a "the more the merrier" type thing. Guys like sexy women (except the ones who like other guys), so the more...the merrier.
ReplyDeleteI've been to a couple gay bars over the last couple years, in NYC and DC. I must say the one in DC was much better...they had $2 Coors Light and better music. If you wanna roll, just let me know. But sorry, my gays friends are mostly guys. I'll keep an eye out.
I don't think you made blacks out to be anti-gay at all. I think your comment was on target in terms of blacks having very strong religious views and that being a basis for their views on homosexuality.
Finally, I'm very sorry you've had to endure so many friends commiting suicide. And you're right, it is hard to imagine someone would choose a life of discrimination and hardship. But people put themselves in hard situations on a regular basis. But I won't go into that for a couple reasons. One, I'm not gay, so how would I know anyway? Two, that is very touchy, so a comment on a blog would not likely convey my sensitivity to the subject. We'd have to talk in person for that (as long as you're comfortable with it).
But we do need to catch up. Hit me on Facebook or email me. (Is it me, or is it weird to set up a meeting with an old friend, but you have no idea who it is?) Eh...holla at ya boy.
And yes, if you trust me with that information, I'll definitely respect your privacy. I usually tend to "forget" things that people want me to keep on the low-low. I'm real good at keepin secrets.
ReplyDeleteIn response to "Jesus doesn't say a damn word about homosexuality in the Bible"...it's clear that you are not a true believer in The Word. Therefore, I wouldn't expect you to care what the Bible says about homosexuality. Secondly, should it matter WHO said what in the Bible? No, the book tells stories of things past, incorporating the messages (and in many cases, the straightforward rules) the Lord wanted us to understand and live by.
ReplyDeleteAlso, the topic is not solely mentioned in the OT (and FYI: the OT--the Levitical Laws/the Sacrificial System was designed for the Israelites--His chosen people, and since God gave His Son, we are no longer under those laws, which is why those are things "we have conveniently managed to ignore today").
This topic (Romans 1:24-27, 1 Timothy 1:10, Jude 1:7-11...) as well as some of the things you "conveniently ignore" such as "a lot of things about women...and dress codes" are also in the NT, plain and clear for us to follow, but just like you have done here, people tend to find ways to justify otherwise, especially with the idea that "things are different now," etc.
I do love my neighbor, and I don't judge anyone--however, I do know what is right and wrong. Even science (for those who do not believe in the Word) will justify that.
P.S. The MOST obvious message you should get from The Holy Bible is to honor God in all that you do. This sums up all the commandments, rules, subliminal messages and anything else. The ultimate message is He created you and the world you live in, and you should respect and honor his work. I wonder how many people honestly feel like they are honoring God by justifying their ways with vague references to select scriptures. Again, I'm not judging..."it's jus' my opinion."
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